At the end of the week, after sifting through all the awards, self-righteous speeches, come late to the party dressed in early adopter talk one story stood out as straight from the gut, this is how it is, and it is good.
I didn't attend Linux World this year. I've gone previously, but ended up trying to engage with models that a company (name withheld to protect the guilty) had sent to talk to customers and to smile and nod knowingly. Yeck.
Tom Adelstein has confirmed my worst fears about going... that it would be nothing but a showcase of how much all the companies are behind Linux and how it is the profit engine of their future. Not to mention try to imply that Linux is the success it is because of their involvement. Rah! Rah! Rah! I welcome commercial interests, but gimme a break!
At the end of the week, after sifting through all the awards, self-righteous speeches, come late to the party dressed in early adopter talk one story stood out as straight from the gut, this is how it is, and it is good.
Redhat's VP of open source affairs Michael Tiemann stepped up to the plate and said in not so few words, that the company messed up. It messed up big time, is sorry, and is trying to make amends. Where they messed up was abandoning their 'freebie' Redhat version two years ago to focus exclusively on their enterprise "pay up big time" version. While doing this their CEO basically also said desktop users should stick to Windows. Ouch!
Needless to say, in hindsight, this was not exactly the wisest thing to do or say. Novell stepped in very shortly thereafter and filled that 'freebie' version need, along with Gentoo, Mandrake, and other numerous flavors of Linux. Crucial Redhat supporters were offended, and shortly off to greener pastures. Realizing the gaff Redhat half-heartedly supported the Fedora project. The 'freebie' version under a new name. Some Redhat supporters changed the decals on their PC towers, but not all.
Well Redhat says it is back with religion to support these early-adopters with the Fedora project. Is it out of the goodness of their hearts? Well, not exactly, but the outcome is the same. Tiemann explained, "One of the mistakes we made when we launched this Enterprise Linux product was we focused so exclusively on this enterprise market that we left this (early-adopter customer) square uncovered. It insulted some of our best supporters. But worse, we lost our opportunity to do customer-driven innovation." Will the motivation matter to Fedora users? Probably not.
So, what's the plan? Well.... that's not exactly clear. There's talk about how Fedora will be expanded to include "extras" - an additional software repository, and support for additional architectures. Was that going to happen anyway? Again, that's likely. A community has built up around Fedora despite Redhat treating it like an ugly love-child at times.
What's important here is that among the hot air there was some straight talk to cling to. We have only to watch the actions of Redhat to see if it materializes into something equally good.
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Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 2, Insightful)
by Anonymous on Feb 22, 2005 - 06:34 PM
Red Hat needs Fedora because this community distro (????) is simply a FREE farm of QA and Beta testers for their Enterprise Linux distro RHEL. Instead of hiring and paying a group of software engineers to test the latest versions of features before they are integrated into the next version of RHEL, the company wants to use the free and open source software community to do this work for them for free to support their quarterly financials. Why would anyone (other than a current paying enterprise customer who wants to see what is coming up next) participate in Fedora?
For the Linux community doesn't appear to be a community distro. In a community distro, you can partipate in the development, package maintenance, and direction of the distro. The direction of the distro, what features will be included in the next Core release, development, and package maintenance is controlled by corporate Red Hat. If it doesn't fit into their enterprise customers needs and Red Hat's bottom line financially, it is not included in Fedora.
If you want to participate in a community distro, there are plenty to choose from. If Red Hat needs help working on the next version of RHEL try hiring and paying some of these software engineers instead of trying to manipulate the Linux community into providing profits for your company. Red Hat should be emberassed and the Linux community and press should call them on this.
Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 1, Interesting)
by Anonymous on Feb 23, 2005 - 04:18 AM
Dear Steve,
I'm feel myself completely shod when Redhat announced Redhat Linux Project (that soon will turn into Fedora Project) and like previous anonymous poster, my actual feelings are quite like other people: despite a bunch of users that had active participation in development of Redhat Linux over the years, the corporate view of company equals us to irreponsible freeloaders and, in move trying to get the most of us, turning their supporters into a QA team. Believe me, if Fedora was a serious distro on the user side, if the Redhat intentions was clearly announced at that time, I'll not mind into turn a few of my system into testbeds. Since I've doing this year after year since RH 4.0 (between betas and RCs), it's not something that I will be concerned.
But, as the time told us, RH wants only to test technologies at our expense and efforts. I'm the one that runs into "greener pastures" and believe me, thanks to Redhat: they show me what I was loosing running their distro.
Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Feb 23, 2005 - 08:18 AM
Thank you Ubuntu Project. You have shown me what Red Hat should have been years ago and still has yet to attain. Simple yet powerful and perfect for my lab workstation.
Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Feb 23, 2005 - 10:24 AM
If Red Hat hadn't made an enterprise distro and concentrated on it, they would have gone out of business. Right now, Red Hat is the only really profitable distro, i.e. one that companies can count on to stick around, and still has a boatload of guys doing work in the community. Does Fedora need to open up and have more support for community participation- imho, yes. That is what Tiemann was saying, I believe. Nobody's perfect.
Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Feb 23, 2005 - 11:58 AM
Anyone who feels strong enough wants to be the next M$. That happened to RedHat, but we had alternatives. RedHat is dead, long live to (Suse || Mandrake) in the enterprise while they dont change. for Me Debian is more than enough.
Re: Best of Linux World Coverage: The Redhat Mistake
(Score: 2, Insightful)
by Anonymous on Mar 02, 2005 - 07:37 PM
I was an avid RH user from 5.0 up to 8.0, every linux system I built for myself and for businesses I used RH, once they took away the free support, I found myself and my servers very much out of date and vulnerable, no longer could I test or try new applications without the hassle of significant configuration changes.
I switched to Gentoo, and after about 2 weeks I could not believe that I had used anything else, now I run Gentoo as a base with VMware emulating windows and I have had amazing success with it, the updates are much easier, I have a much better grasp of how my filesytem is organized and how the kernel is configured, not to mention all my applications are using the latest stable releases. No longer do I have to wait weeks or months for updated RPMs, and by having all the users in one place (Gentoo Forums), finding help is quick, I've been able to do much more is less time with Gentoo than with RedHat.
Ultimatly, RedHat has permanently lost a user, I can't go back to RH now that I've seen what else there is, I know there are many others like me, not focusing on thier silent users was thier biggest folly in regards to proliferation... The way I see it, me, like others, are in or will be in decision making postions in the future, and for me RH does not exist there.
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